We are joined this week with Kanny and Al who share the experience of a physiological birth from the perspective of a birthing mum, and her partner. This was a team effort, and this story highlights the power and importance of both roles. Kanny also shares her experience of resisting perineal massage, and with the support of Al she overcomes the resistance and gets to a place of appreciating the sensations. This had a significant influence on how she felt when her body was stretching to release her daughter. There’s plenty of birth wisdom in this episode, so sit back and enjoy!